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ECG's

ECG's

Anyone willing to try their hand at these? I will put up more as and when i find them on my HDD... Click on the image to open up its full size, then click "back" to return to the post. I have put in the pt's vital signs at the time the strips were recorded.

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Resp Rate -14 Regular/Clear Bilaterally, Sp02 -94% on Fi02-0.21, Pulse - 64 Regular/thready, Capillary refill <3sec, BP - 150/100mmHg, GCS 15/15 Pupils -4mm Brisk, skin warm to touch, Pain score 10/10, HGT 10.4mmol/l. Pt is a known hypertensive, on unknown antihypertensives, and had a general anasthesia the day before for removal of a septic ingrown toenail. 70yrs Female.
Diagnosis - ?


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Resp Rate - 30 Regular/clear bilaterally, SpO2 <80% Fi02 0.6, Pulse - 30/min Regular/weak,    BP unobtainable, GCS 4/15 (clue, pt lying very still at time of ECG), Pupils = 4mm unreactive bilaterally, Cool to touch, HGT 12.4mmol/l. Pt has Hx of 2x cardiac bypass as well as stent placement. She is on the following meds: carloc, prestil, plenish K, lasix, spiractin, Warfarin,
plavix, cordarone, stilnox, esotril, stopayne. 73 yrs Female.
Diagnosis - ?

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Resp Rate -20 Regular/clear bilaterally, SP02-97% Fi02-0.6, Pulse - 60 Regular/palpable weak radials, BP unobtainable, GCS 14/15, Pupils 3mm bilaterally/sluggish, skin cool to touch, HGT not recorded. Same patient as ECG #2, but after treatment.
Diagnosis - ?
And what treatment do you think was given to this patient, and WHY do you say that option?

Edited By: Sico
09-Jul-10 22:15:55
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The first one is a bit tricky, but it is classic...   smile  Well spotted!

For the second one, will you accept a slighty less specific answer?  An ECG from about 5 years ago would help somewhat to be more accurate!

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No Takers? tsk tsk

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Shall I take this as an indication that I must spend some extra time explaining and re-explaining ECG's to my CCA/NDIP students?  Eish!

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Yes MDL, I think, from the few dismal answers i recieved, that they definately need some attention.

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Sico / MDL I have discussed with you my answers, although not quiet on the mark!

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You hinted at answers, you haven't given any yet...

The first one is a 2nd degree type II AV block on a ratio of 1:1, where every second QRS complex is dropped.
The second ECG is a 3rd degree AV block with an underlying Atrial Fibrillation. IT is not very clear but you can see an absence of definable P waves with the very fine AF in the back ground. 
The third strip is the same as the second one, but AFTER Atropine was given (a total of 1.5mg in three doses of 0.5mg). The two options that most likely could have achieved this result would be either drug administration or electrical pacing, but no pacing spikes are visible, therefore drugs were the most likely option. The reason atropine was given in an apparently unstable patient (as per vitals) rather than electrical pacing as an initial treatment, was that this was the patients third episode of this type, and when the family was questioned they stated that previously she had been given atropine with a positive result. The ECG was prepped for pacing should the drugs not have worked.

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Did you get bored of waiting for answers or did someone see the light?   tongue

The first ECG is apparently also what Wenckebach originally described and the increasing p-r time was added later.

The second ECG (and therefore by implication the third) is the kind of ECG you get from people who have had long standing hypertension or lots of little MI's etc etc...  having an old ECG would be nice to decide whether this rhythm is due to new ischaemia or just a repeat of an old problem.  Sico had the history that it had happened before, so that answers the question already.

Thanks Sico

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<sigh> I got bored tongue

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Thanx Sico, I definitely learnt something there...Please keep therm coming!

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Give this one a try -

http://mediczone.org//images/rsgallery/original/ECG5r.jpg
(click on the image for a longer strip)
This was from a 78 yr old male with a Hx of hypertension, on antihypertensives (name unknown) and Simvastatin. He had 6/10 chest pain, Pulse 93, BP 70 systolic, SpO2 83% FiO2 .21, GCS 15/15. The patient went into VF twice after this strip was printed, and was succesfully resussed.
Diagnosis of rhythm? - pm me your answers

No Takers? Is it that bad an ECG?

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I seriously hope there were some takers!  For those of you who did send him answers and are wondering what happened to the man, Sico does not have great internet access at the moment, but as soon as he does, he will be getting back to us.   smile

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The rhythm is an accelerated Junctional (nodal) rhythm with ST elevation and peaked T-waves. At first glance it appears to be a ventricular (wide QRS complex) rhythm, but if you look closely and measure it accurately you will see that the QRS complexes are in fact within their normal ranges of 0.12s (or three small blocks) and that it is the ST-segment that makes it appear widened. Narrow QRS complexes are ALWAYS supraventricular in origin, and since there is a complete absence of P-waves, we can assume that it does not originate in the Sino-Atrial node, therefore it cannot be a Sinus rhythm, and by default must originate somewhere around the Atrio-ventricular node.

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